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Post by graham on Jul 6, 2012 11:35:28 GMT -5
@caravan Ray Thanks for the review! I agree its not perfect, it needs some work. The vocals are a bit off because I'm not a great singer (I'm working on it). I'm not familiar with Furry Pedro, I shall check him out!
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Post by drlindyke on Jul 6, 2012 12:02:12 GMT -5
Vote:BucketHat Bobby - On the Pogey: Appalling backing music. If you want to do a song like this – for F-s sake – give it some feel. I really hope there is some sort of irony here that I don’t understand – because it sounds a bit pissweak. Why is an American singing Scottish slang with a fake Irish accent? I understand you are singing about America – but the song just doesn’t seem to make sense. I was hauled over the coals recently by a French Professor (g’day Noah) for singing in French in a recent Nur Ein – trust me – don’t do it if you can’t be convincing. Because Bobby's not an American, he's a Canadian from Newfoundland singing with an authentic Newfie accent. 'Fraid you get raked over the coals again. But hey! You blokes all sound the same to us, too.
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Post by felixfrost on Jul 6, 2012 13:23:19 GMT -5
Yikes, caravan. Keep it at least a little positive. You don't want to distance yourself from all the other competitors by slamming their stuff. Especially Edric, Buckethat and Governing Dynamics. They're like veterans! I mean I can take your abuse, but try to avoid using words like "annoying" "pointless" "camp" "pissweak" and "shame," maybe. Just some friendly advice.
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Post by Edric Haleen on Jul 6, 2012 14:05:30 GMT -5
Yikes, caravan. Keep it at least a little positive. You don't want to distance yourself from all the other competitors by slamming their stuff. I agree wholeheartedly with this. SpinTunes -- like Masters of Song Fu before it -- is a community which is largely supportive and encouraging. That's not to say that you have to LIKE every song you hear here, but you'll find far more people here who will phrase critiques and criticisms in a way that encourage the songwriters to grow and develop their skills and their craft, rather than simply cutting people down. (Sammy Kablam, of course, is the rather obvious exception to this trend...) Especially Edric, Buckethat and Governing Dynamics. They're like veterans! I disagree wholeheartedly with this. SpinTunes is a community which welcomes new artists. Being a "veteran" simply means you've stuck around for a while -- it does not bestow upon you any privileges or preference. True, I've been around since the beginning of SpinTunes -- and beyond that, I go all the way back to Masters of Song Fu #2. But that doesn't mean that anyone must revere me based solely on longevity. If you hate my song(s), that's just fine. If you feel you wish to share with the people in the forum just how much you hate my song(s), that's fine too. However, if you'd be interested in sharing WHY you hate my songs, I -- and possibly others -- might be able to LEARN something from that. (On the other hand, I might completely disagree with your appraisal, and not take ANYTHING from your comments. Or I might pick and choose from your comments, taking just that which I might find helpful or useful. That's MY prerogative -- just as it yours or anybody else's when someone comments on another's art.) I've heard that the Song Fight forums are somewhat/rather cutthroat. If this is true, I hope that these nascent SpinTunes forums do not follow in the same path. It's true that there is some non-negligible overlap between participants in the two communities, but I hope that the SpinTunes community can maintain the positive atmosphere that we've fostered over four iterations, even as we move into this brave new forum-world... :-) Edric
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Post by felixfrost on Jul 6, 2012 14:33:53 GMT -5
Oh Edric, you're so modest!! But you're right, I shouldn't tap into your seniority to make my point. But, personally, I still wouldn't have the audacity to criticize people who have been doing this longer than me Like it would have been odd for me last Spintunes to come in and say, "Caleb Hines. Your song was terrible." Because everyone else would be like "Dude, Felix, he's already proven himself. What have YOU got to show for it?" But I'm really glad to hear you say that, because even after being in one previous Spintunes i still feel like a newb. And it's nice to know all the others who have done it since the start are inclusive to the newcomers
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Post by caravanray on Jul 6, 2012 16:33:09 GMT -5
CaravanRay- the beat to Crowning Glory was based in part on a traditional Egyptian drum pattern, 1/1-2-3/1-2-3/1-2. Not too sure why you thought it was Irish- I have around 20 albums of Irish, Scots and English folk songs, but didn't hear them in this song. Oh - OK. My apologies. I am really not up on the latest ancient Egyptian hits. My opinions are not meant to be taken as the word of anyone who has any idea of what he is talking about. It was a very interesting song - just not my cup of tea. My apologies for saying you sing like a pommy bastard *grin*. Feel free to go hug a wattle, or have some pea soup with a meat pie floater to cheer yourself up. WTF?!?! A what?!? I will happily hug a wattle - but I am not driving halfway across the continent to eat something disgusting in Adelaide.
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Post by caravanray on Jul 6, 2012 16:38:36 GMT -5
Vote:BucketHat Bobby - On the Pogey: Appalling backing music. If you want to do a song like this – for F-s sake – give it some feel. I really hope there is some sort of irony here that I don’t understand – because it sounds a bit pissweak. Why is an American singing Scottish slang with a fake Irish accent? I understand you are singing about America – but the song just doesn’t seem to make sense. I was hauled over the coals recently by a French Professor (g’day Noah) for singing in French in a recent Nur Ein – trust me – don’t do it if you can’t be convincing. Because Bobby's not an American, he's a Canadian from Newfoundland singing with an authentic Newfie accent. 'Fraid you get raked over the coals again. But hey! You blokes all sound the same to us, too. Well - technically, Canadians are Americans, just like Argentinians and Greenlanders are - but if the slang and accent does make sense in that context - then I offer Bobby my whole-hearted apology. The backing music is still pretty crap though.
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Post by caravanray on Jul 6, 2012 16:56:39 GMT -5
Yikes, caravan. Keep it at least a little positive. You don't want to distance yourself from all the other competitors by slamming their stuff. Especially Edric, Buckethat and Governing Dynamics. They're like veterans! I mean I can take your abuse, but try to avoid using words like "annoying" "pointless" "camp" "pissweak" and "shame," maybe. Just some friendly advice. Fair enough - if that is what is preferred, I am happy to comply. Personally - I would much prefer an honest opinion of what people think of my songs. If you hate it (and I know from experience, many people will) - say so. That is much more valuable to me than searching for something good to say about it You may notice that my reviews were very positive about the songs I liked. In future - I shall only make comments on the songs I like if that will preserve the general good fellowship.
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Post by caravanray on Jul 6, 2012 17:05:22 GMT -5
I've heard that the Song Fight forums are somewhat/rather cutthroat. If this is true, I hope that these nascent SpinTunes forums do not follow in the same path. It's true that there is some non-negligible overlap between participants in the two communities, but I hope that the SpinTunes community can maintain the positive atmosphere that we've fostered over four iterations, even as we move into this brave new forum-world... Yes, you heard correct. The Song Fight forums are somewhat/rather cutthroat, and that is what I am used to. However - if you don't want to hear bad things here, I won't say bad things here. I am the newcomer here - so happy to try to fit in. Personally, I find that I learn far more from negative comments than I do from positive comments - but maybe that is just me. But happy to leave the aggro at Songfight if that is what is preferred. (oh...wait - I am still allowed to abuse Ross and Denise aren't I? They expect it from me )
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Post by Edric Haleen on Jul 6, 2012 17:19:01 GMT -5
Personally - I would much prefer an honest opinion of what people think of my songs. If you hate it (and I know from experience, many people will) - say so. That is much more valuable to me than searching for something good to say about it. Thank you. To your comment above, let me be more clear. If you hate my song, please don't hesitate to let me know. You certainly do not have to search for something good to say if you don't think there's anything good. And you certainly do not have to tiptoe around people. But Felix is right -- there's a difference between saying, "I really hated this BECAUSE [the vocals were too soft/the lyrics were didactic or vapid or confusing/the percussion was off-beat/your voice was grating in the mix" and "Your song made me think of Grimace choking on a cheeseburger." One is a trifle more constructive than the other... :-) Edric
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